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	<title>Comments on: Intelligent Birds</title>
	<link>http://thetameparrot.com/blog/2008/01/04/intelligent-birds/</link>
	<description>Here... Your parrot problems come to an end!</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jadaco Kahn</title>
		<link>http://thetameparrot.com/blog/2008/01/04/intelligent-birds/#comment-1862</link>
		<author>Jadaco Kahn</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 04:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pearson, quit trolling and have a little fun</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pearson, quit trolling and have a little fun</p>
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		<title>By: Home</title>
		<link>http://thetameparrot.com/blog/2008/01/04/intelligent-birds/#comment-1324</link>
		<author>Home</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps try to not let him sit on top of his cage all of the time.....maybe that will help</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps try to not let him sit on top of his cage all of the time&#8230;..maybe that will help</p>
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		<title>By: patricia</title>
		<link>http://thetameparrot.com/blog/2008/01/04/intelligent-birds/#comment-1185</link>
		<author>patricia</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 15:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the vidios and how clever the birds were.  I have a sun conure about 27  weeks old and am trying to teachit to talk.  How long will it take.  ALSO HE LOVES TO BE PETTED ON TOP OF CAGE BUT HATES STEPPING ONTO HAND.   I coaxe him out with a treat and he steps up on ladder will he eventually climb onto hands   .Thankyou. PATRICIA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the vidios and how clever the birds were.  I have a sun conure about 27  weeks old and am trying to teachit to talk.  How long will it take.  ALSO HE LOVES TO BE PETTED ON TOP OF CAGE BUT HATES STEPPING ONTO HAND.   I coaxe him out with a treat and he steps up on ladder will he eventually climb onto hands   .Thankyou. PATRICIA</p>
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		<title>By: N. Pearson</title>
		<link>http://thetameparrot.com/blog/2008/01/04/intelligent-birds/#comment-826</link>
		<author>N. Pearson</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 17:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thetameparrot.com/blog/2008/01/04/intelligent-birds/#comment-826</guid>
		<description>Danny,

You sent these youtube videos to your mailing list, claiming this is evidence of "intelligence". These are simple (albeit well-done) classical conditioning and do not show any signs of true intelligence, this is stimulus-response and rehersed. Tricks aren't the same as being intelligent. These birds are not demonstrating the same responses that you see from birds that are trained in cognitive speech like Dr. Irene Pepperberg's birds. That grey, for example, does not realize what a "pig" is when she is making those sounds (it's unlikely she has any understanding of what any of the vocalizations mean to humans) and there is very little actual intelligence going on here at all.

I actually think its a bit of a shame that people knowingly do this, these birds evolved the ability to make specific vocalizations in order to communicate with their flock, but it misleads people in two sepearte paths: some people do actually mistake circus tricks for intelligence, while some people do see this for what it is, pure mimcry. Unfortumately with the 2nd group, they tend to also overgenerize to the point that they believe that all talking birds are purley mimicing sounds with no comprehension of meanings associated. 

Both of those videos have been on youtube for ages, I don't think this was worthy of a group email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danny,</p>
<p>You sent these youtube videos to your mailing list, claiming this is evidence of &#8220;intelligence&#8221;. These are simple (albeit well-done) classical conditioning and do not show any signs of true intelligence, this is stimulus-response and rehersed. Tricks aren&#8217;t the same as being intelligent. These birds are not demonstrating the same responses that you see from birds that are trained in cognitive speech like Dr. Irene Pepperberg&#8217;s birds. That grey, for example, does not realize what a &#8220;pig&#8221; is when she is making those sounds (it&#8217;s unlikely she has any understanding of what any of the vocalizations mean to humans) and there is very little actual intelligence going on here at all.</p>
<p>I actually think its a bit of a shame that people knowingly do this, these birds evolved the ability to make specific vocalizations in order to communicate with their flock, but it misleads people in two sepearte paths: some people do actually mistake circus tricks for intelligence, while some people do see this for what it is, pure mimcry. Unfortumately with the 2nd group, they tend to also overgenerize to the point that they believe that all talking birds are purley mimicing sounds with no comprehension of meanings associated. </p>
<p>Both of those videos have been on youtube for ages, I don&#8217;t think this was worthy of a group email.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://thetameparrot.com/blog/2008/01/04/intelligent-birds/#comment-391</link>
		<author>Matt</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thetameparrot.com/blog/2008/01/04/intelligent-birds/#comment-391</guid>
		<description>Birds are so fun to watch.  I'm actually looking to add some bird articles to my blog. If you're interested in writing something, let me know and I'll give you a link back to your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birds are so fun to watch.  I&#8217;m actually looking to add some bird articles to my blog. If you&#8217;re interested in writing something, let me know and I&#8217;ll give you a link back to your blog.</p>
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